Virginia Regulatory Town Hall
Agency
Department of Forestry
 
Board
Department of Forestry
 
chapter
Virginia State Forest Regulations [4 VAC 10 ‑ 30]
Action Amend Requirements for Carrying Handguns in State Forests
Stage Proposed
Comment Period Ended on 4/16/2010
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2/19/10  9:11 pm
Commenter: Philip Van Cleave, President, Virginia Citizens Defense League

VCDL Supports the Rule Change, Include Open Carry, too.
 

The Virginia Citizens Defense League supports the proposed regulation, BUT it should also include lawful open carry.  When the current Governor, Bob McDonnell, was the Attorney General, he published an opinion that State Parks and other such state agencies did not have the power to ban openly carried handguns.  We agree and want open carry to be legal in State Forests (we will be asking for the same changes to State Parks and DGIF lands in their appopriate venues).

CommentID: 11321
 

2/19/10  10:11 pm
Commenter: Ed Levine, http://www.edsmags.com

I support but want Open Carry too!
 

When seconds count, police are just minutes (or Hours in a Park) away. People must be responsible for their own safety.  Thank you.  Ed

CommentID: 11328
 

2/19/10  10:12 pm
Commenter: Dan Lynberg

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal as well.
 

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal as well.

 

CommentID: 11329
 

2/19/10  10:12 pm
Commenter: James Corbally

I support the rule change, but please ensure open carry is permitted as legal also
 

I support the proposed regulation, BUT it should also include lawful open carry.
 
When the current Governor, Bob McDonnell, was the Attorney General, he published an 
opinion that State Parks and other such state agencies did not have the power to ban openly carried handguns.  I agree, and want open carry to be legal in State Forests (I will be asking for the same 
changes to State Parks and DGIF lands in their appopriate venues).
 
Thank you.

CommentID: 11330
 

2/19/10  10:14 pm
Commenter: Dana Larkin

We need open carry too
 

I support the proposed rule with the addition of allowing open carry.

CommentID: 11331
 

2/19/10  10:16 pm
Commenter: Mark F. Carson, Retired

State Forests Handgun Carry
 

I support concealed carry but also want to see open carry be permissible in the State Forests.

CommentID: 11332
 

2/19/10  10:16 pm
Commenter: Sean Potter

I support, but want open carry too!
 

There is no reason lawfully carried firearms shouldnt be allowed in state forests, and we really should get open carry too...


CommentID: 11333
 

2/19/10  10:17 pm
Commenter: Will Roberts

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal
 

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal

CommentID: 11334
 

2/19/10  10:19 pm
Commenter: Steve Wirt, VCDL, NRA, Gun Owners of America

I support this rule change
 

I support the rule change, and furthmore want Open Carry to be included.  When the current Governor, Bob McDonnell, was the Attorney General, he published an opinion that State Parks and other such state agencies did not have the power to ban openly carried handguns.  I agree and want open carry to be legal in State Forests. We have a right to defend ourselves.

CommentID: 11335
 

2/19/10  10:19 pm
Commenter: douglas harpine

open carry also needed
 

I too support this but also support open carry

CommentID: 11336
 

2/19/10  10:19 pm
Commenter: DC DUNHAM

"I support the rule change, but I also want open carry to be legal"
 

CommentID: 11337
 

2/19/10  10:20 pm
Commenter: Chris Peevy

I support this Change , but wish to have the option to open carry as well.
 

I fully support the proposed regulation, BUT it should also include lawful open carry. 

When the current Governor, Bob McDonnell, was the Attorney General, he published an opinion that State Parks and other such state agencies did not have the power to ban openly carried handguns.  We agree and want open carry to be legal in State Forests (we will be asking for the same changes to State Parks and DGIF lands in their appopriate venues).

 

Regards

Chris Peevy

CommentID: 11338
 

2/19/10  10:20 pm
Commenter: B. Bresnan

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal.
 

One needs to be able to defend against threats, whether man or beast.  I strongly support this issue.  Thanks.

CommentID: 11339
 

2/19/10  10:21 pm
Commenter: Brandon and Susan Blackmoor

Support -- also support open carry
 

Susan and I support the rule change, but we also want open carry to be legal. It's a park -- what if we are wearing hiking shorts and t-shirts? Come on, folks.

 

 

CommentID: 11340
 

2/19/10  10:22 pm
Commenter: Ed Surowiec

I support concealed carry. Need to allow open carry too.
 

I support concealed carry of firearms in State Forests.  I would also like to see open carry allowed too.

CommentID: 11341
 

2/19/10  10:23 pm
Commenter: Reynaldo Paguio

I Support The Rule Change
 

I support the rule change, but I also want open carry to be legal" .

CommentID: 11342
 

2/19/10  10:23 pm
Commenter: Ryan Richardson

Please allow both OPEN and CONCEALED CARRY.
 

Please support allowing both open and concealed carry in our state.

CommentID: 11343
 

2/19/10  10:23 pm
Commenter: Walter Townsend

Support, but allow open carry!
 
I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal!
CommentID: 11344
 

2/19/10  10:25 pm
Commenter: William J Goodman Virginia Resident

Amend Requirements for Carrying Handguns in State Forests
 

I support the rule change to allowing guns to be carried in State Forests, but reques wording be included that clearly allows for open carry.

CommentID: 11345
 

2/19/10  10:25 pm
Commenter: William J Goodman Virginia Resident

Amend Requirements for Carrying Handguns in State Forests
 

I support the rule change to allowing guns to be carried in State Forests, but reques wording be included that clearly allows for open carry.

CommentID: 11346
 

2/19/10  10:25 pm
Commenter: Barent K. Parslow, Citizen of the Commonwealth of Virginia

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal.
 

The critical concern is illegal activity.  Criminals will not be affected by prohibitions of any sort.  We see this in every instance from criminal nations to individuals.  Indeed, criminals take advantage of the rule abiding whenever possible.   If the concern about open carry is that some might be more willing to commit a criminal act, such as poaching, I can hardly see how this would affect anything as poachers would then simply hide their guns...  In short, I don't see excluding open carry as logically defensible. 

 

CommentID: 11347
 

2/19/10  10:27 pm
Commenter: C. Skelton

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal
 

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal.

CommentID: 11348
 

2/19/10  10:27 pm
Commenter: Scott Torgerson

Support for the Rule Change...and also Recommend Open Carry Be Legal
 
Sir / Ma'am; I support the proposed regulation, BUT strongly recommend that it also include lawful open carry.  I believe that current VA law allows open carry statewide, and feel that State Forests and other such state agencies do not have the power to ban openly carried handguns.  I recommend you approve the proposed regulation and also include open carry to be legal in State Forests.  Thank you.
CommentID: 11349
 

2/19/10  10:29 pm
Commenter: Jeff Simons

I support this change, but want to be able to carry openly too.
 

I do strongly support this move, but I also feel strongly that I should be able to carry openly if I so desire. Please consider adding this. Self defense is a basic human right.

CommentID: 11350
 

2/19/10  10:29 pm
Commenter: William J Goodman Virginia Resident

amend rules to allow carry in state forests
 

I support the rule change to allowing guns to be carried in State Forests, but reques wording be included that clearly allows for open carry.

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CommentID: 11351
 

2/19/10  10:29 pm
Commenter: Tom Goodnight

This is a good change, but should also include open carry.
 

It is great to see the National system coming in line with the Virginia State system, allowing concealed carry.  I frequently take my family to state parks, and it is comforting to have a sidearm for protection when out in the woods.  Please consider including the open carry of firearms, which is legal in Virginia, in your regulations.  Thank you.

CommentID: 11352
 

2/19/10  10:30 pm
Commenter: Matt Stone

Support the change but don't think it goes far enough
 

I think the change should include open carry as well.

CommentID: 11353
 

2/19/10  10:30 pm
Commenter: Daniel O'Callaghan

I support the rule change, but also believe open carry should be legal
 

The federal position is that the rule for a national  park shall be the same as the rules of the state the park is in.  In Virginia Open Carry is legal.  Furthermore, Virginia has a pre-emption law, the purpose being to  protect lawful citizens from having to be mindful of a myriad of illogical exceptions when exercising their right to bear arms.  Why  should we go against that principal and rule of law in this case. If a law abiding citizen can walk down the street in  Fairfax City while open carrying then by what reasoning would we prohibit the same law abiding citizen from walking in a forest similarly armed?  Lets be self consistent!

CommentID: 11354
 

2/19/10  10:30 pm
Commenter: Howard Dobrin

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal
 

I support the proposed regulation, BUT it should also include lawful open carry in the venues controlled by the Virginia Department of Forestry.

When the current Governor, Bob McDonnell, was the Attorney General, he published an opinion that State Parks and other such state agencies did not have the power to ban openly carried handguns.  I agree with the Governor's opinion and want open carry to be legal in State Forests. I also support making the same changes to State Parks and DGIF lands in their appopriate venues.

Thank you,

Howard S. Dobrin

CommentID: 11355
 

2/19/10  10:30 pm
Commenter: Robert L Covington

Support Rule Change
 

I support the rule change but want to be able to open carry as well.


CommentID: 11356
 

2/19/10  10:31 pm
Commenter: Douglas Weidner

support of self defense Firearms in state parks
 

The carring of firearms in State Parks for ones own protection should not be only concelled, open carry should also be allowed. A strong deteriant is always better than a hiden defense. Yeah the animals won't know the deference, most of them though are already have respect  of man only man can have no respect for man. Like the security company's sign infront of your house, Open carry is an effective deterrent to the would bes.

CommentID: 11357
 

2/19/10  10:31 pm
Commenter: William Cundiff

conceal carry in state parks
 

I support the rule change concerning conceal carry of firearms, but I think open carried firearms should be legal also.

CommentID: 11358
 

2/19/10  10:31 pm
Commenter: Ron Beard

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal
 

When the current Governor, Bob McDonnell, was the Attorney General, he published an opinion that State Parks and other such state agencies did not have the power to ban openly carried handguns.  I agree and want open carry to be legal in State Forests.

CommentID: 11359
 

2/19/10  10:32 pm
Commenter: Warren B Murphy

I support this rule change, OPEN CARRY must be included and specifically be acknowledged as legal.
 

I support this rule change,   OPEN CARRY must be included and specifically be acknowledged as legal.

Nobody should be forced to be a helpless victim Open Carry is our ight as Americans and there is no reason that it sould not be allowed.

CommentID: 11360
 

2/19/10  10:34 pm
Commenter: Stephen Haase

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal.
 

CommentID: 11361
 

2/19/10  10:34 pm
Commenter: Mike Stollenwerk, co-founder of OpenCarry.org

Opencarry.org supports the rule change provided that open carry is legalized too
 

This agency is already aware of, and bound by, the Attorney General's opinion that open carry is a universal right throughout the Commonwealth except where prohibited by the General Assembly - and further, that this agency does not have the statutory authority to ban open carry.

Accordingly, this notice and comment rulemaking is the perfect opportunity to correct the agency's regulations - the regulations banning open carry are void and must be corrected as to open carry.

Correct the regulation change to conform to the AG opinion!

Mike Stollenwerk

co-founder, openCarry.org, a pro-gun Internet community with over 25,000 registered members

CommentID: 11362
 

2/19/10  10:34 pm
Commenter: Luther D. Loughridge III

I support the rule change. Recommend inclusion of Open Carry
 

Honorable Lawmaker,

I agree with the rule change to allow concealed carry in our State Forrests, but would like you to also allow open carry. The same responsibilities that are required when carrying concealed is mirrored with open carry. Considering that our state allows open carry, why would you make an execption in our State Forrests? Open carry, when in the woods is more comfortable than concealed carry for the armed citizen. And don't forget, the forrests are filled with sportsmen who are used to seeing firearms so they are not shocked when they encounter someone openly carrying a sidearm. As a Federal Law Enforcement officer, I consider everyone I meet to be armed. I am more comfortable when I can see it, it takes the guesswork out of where the firearm is being carried. For the unarmed citizen, they become more familar with the proper carry of firearms and their safety. In the end, it is a win, win for everyone.

Thank you for taking the time to review and hear my comments.

V/R,

Luther Loughridge

CommentID: 11363
 

2/19/10  10:34 pm
Commenter: Jay Johnson, VA citizen

Handguns in State Forests
 

This would be a great rule change and I fully support the change.  I also want open carry to be legal!

CommentID: 11364
 

2/19/10  10:34 pm
Commenter: Seon Lee

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal.
 

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal.

CommentID: 11365
 

2/19/10  10:35 pm
Commenter: Charles S. newman Jr.

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legalI
 

I strongly agree with the following statement made by Phillip Van Cleave:

"The Virginia Citizens Defense League supports the proposed regulation, BUT it should also include lawful open carry.  When the current Governor, Bob McDonnell, was the Attorney General, he published an opinion that State Parks and other such state agencies did not have the power to ban openly carried handguns.  We agree and want open carry to be legal in State Forests"

 

CommentID: 11366
 

2/19/10  10:35 pm
Commenter: Eric Bush

I support the rule change, but it should also have open carry
 

I support the proposed regulation, BUT it should also include lawful open carry.  When the current Governor, Bob McDonnell, was the

Attorney General

, he published an opinion that State Parks and other such state agencies did not have the power to ban openly carried handguns.  I agree and want open carry to be legal in State Forests.


CommentID: 11367
 

2/19/10  10:36 pm
Commenter: Alan Rose

I support but want open carry also
 

Open carry is legal in VA, so it should be allowed in forests as well.

CommentID: 11368
 

2/19/10  10:36 pm
Commenter: Tom Mosca III

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal
 

I support the proposed regulation, but it should also include lawful open carry.  When the current Governor, Bob McDonnell, was the Attorney General, he published an opinion that State Parks and other such state agencies did not have the power to ban openly carried handguns.  We agree and want open  
carry to be legal in State Forests (we will be asking for the same  
changes to State Parks and DGIF lands in their appopriate venues).

CommentID: 11370
 

2/19/10  10:36 pm
Commenter: Alfred Lester

I am a lifelong resident of Virginia
 

I support open carry in State Forest, and hope to see it become legal. I am an avid outdoorsman.

CommentID: 11371
 

2/19/10  10:37 pm
Commenter: Bill Albritton

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal
 

I support the proposed regulation, BUT it should also include lawful open carry.

When the current Governor, Bob McDonnell, was the Attorney General, he published an opinion that State Parks and other such state agencies did not have the power to ban openly carried handguns.  I agree and want open carry to be legal in State Forests (I will be asking for the same changes to State Parks and DGIF lands in their appropriate venues).
CommentID: 11372
 

2/19/10  10:39 pm
Commenter: Harold C Bess

Carry of Handguns in State Forests
 

When the current Governor, Bob McDonnell, was the Attorney General, he published an opinion that State Parks and other such state agencies did not have the power to ban openly carried handguns.  Since I agree with the opinion, open carry should also be legal in State Forests.

CommentID: 11373
 

2/19/10  10:39 pm
Commenter: Charles Allen

I support this change
 

I support this change in the regulations; however I would also like to see open carry included in the proposed change.

CommentID: 11374
 

2/19/10  10:39 pm
Commenter: Andrew Parramore

I support, but want Open Carry as well
 

 I support, but want Open Carry as well

CommentID: 11375
 

2/19/10  10:39 pm
Commenter: Dale Welch

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal
 

I wholeheartedly support the proposed regulation, BUT it should also include lawful open carry.  When the current  Governor, Bob McDonnell, was the Attorney General, he published an  opinion that State Parks and other such state agencies did not have the power to ban openly carried handguns.  We agree and want open carry to be legal in State Forests (we will be asking for the same changes to State Parks and DGIF lands in their appopriate venues).

All of Virginia's public land and facilities should be under the same rules and policies.

CommentID: 11376
 

2/19/10  10:40 pm
Commenter: Colleen Maitland

I support the rule change, but also want open carry to be legal
 

The Virginia Citizens Defense League supports the proposed regulation, BUT it should also include lawful open carry. When the current Governor, Bob McDonnell, was the Attorney General, he published an opinion that State Parks and other such state agencies did not have the power to ban openly carried handguns. We agree and want open carry to be legal in State Forests (we will be asking for the same changes to State Parks and DGIF lands in their appopriate venues). 

CommentID: 11377